As Peter’s post about the Nationals pitching staff indicated, baseball season is right around the corner, and so the pieces here should pick up. I have a couple posts that I stored up during the winter that I’ll be posting before I start commenting on more current events.
Over at the Hall of Merit, talk has started on the upcoming 2013 election (congrats to Rafael Palmeiro, Rick Reuschel, and David Cone for being elected in 2012) and with Craig Biggio being eligible, discussion has focused on how he compares to Roberto Alomar and Jeff Kent, both of whom spent some time with the Cleveland Indians during their recent glory days in the mid-1990s and early-2000s. It got me thinking about how much great talent came through Cleveland from 1994-2001, and what a team would look like if you compiled the best players to have played for Cleveland for any length of time during that period. How much or how well they played for Cleveland during this time is irrelevant—I’m looking at the career values of anyone who played on those Cleveland teams and constructing an all-time team. You could make a great team from the players who didn’t make the cut. Below is the lineup and pitching rotation for this hypothetical team:
1. Kenny Lofton, CF: I was a huge fan of Lofton when he played. I loved how much range he had in CF, his line-drive corkscrew swing, or how he ran the bases with daring. As a great defensive CF with a 114 wRC+, he has a pretty decent argument for the Hall of Merit (I don’t see how he gets over 5% on the Hall of Fame ballot, regardless of his credentials), although I would bet the casual fan doesn’t imagine Lofton that way. I think this is partially because of the caliber of teammates he had in Cleveland, but Lofton was hurt arguably more than any other player by the 1994 strike. When the strike hit, he was having his big career year, hitting .349/.412/.536 with 60 SB while playing excellent defense in CF (he won a Gold Glove that season) while on a pennant-contending Cleveland team, the first Cleveland team over .500 since 1986. But instead of there being debate over whether he should have won the MVP over winner Frank Thomas or the other worthy candidate Ken Griffey Jr., all the focus on baseball was on the strike. And while Lofton was still a great player after the strike, he didn’t have any MVP seasons like Thomas or Griffey to boost his reputation as a great player. Nevertheless, I always think of him first when thinking of these great Indians teams, so I’m glad he made the cut and is batting leadoff.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: Ellis Burks
2. Roberto Alomar, 2B: Alomar only spent three seasons with the Indians (1999-2001) but they were all great seasons (he hit .323/.405/.515 over the three years while averaging 35 steals a season). Shockingly, after Alomar left Cleveland, his career fell off the proverbial cliff and he was basically done as a player. Coincidentally, Cleveland’s winning streak also came to a halt after Alomar left, so it was an end of an era all the way around.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: N/A
3. Jim Thome, DH: The only question regarding Thome was where to put him in the field, as he started his career in Cleveland at 3B and has played a lot of 1B in his career. Of course, he didn’t play either position particularly well, so DH is probably the best fit for him. There is no doubt about his ability to hit enough for DH, as his 604 home runs are good for eighth all-time, and he should pass Sammy Sosa for seventh easily this season.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: Albert Belle (from 1994-1996, his lowest slugging percentage was .623!); Harold Baines
4. Manny Ramirez, LF: Another masher for the middle of the lineup whose best position is DH, but at least Ramirez can be entertaining in the outfield. From 1999-2006, Ramirez’s lowest wRC+ was 151. Another way to think of how great a hitter Ramirez was: in Lofton’s great 1994 season I referenced earlier, his wRC+ was 153—Ramirez’s career wRC+ is 152.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: Brian Giles; Juan Gonzalez
5. Eddie Murray, 1B: The first player who did not have a great season in Cleveland (and there are more coming), he was still very valuable for the Indians in 1995, hitting .323/.375/.516 and providing veteran leadership for an inexperienced Indians team that made it to the World Series. I also like that he is the 1B on this team because it leads into the most inexplicable thing regarding the 1995 Indians: how did a team with this much talent end up with Paul Sorrento as their starting 1B? According to FanGraphs, he was worth .6 WAR in 1995; that was a positive view, however, as Baseball-Reference has him being worth .1 WAR that season. Needless to say, he was not on the Indians in 1996 (of course Seattle didn’t learn from Cleveland’s mistake, as they gave him plenty of meaningful at-bats). I don’t understand why in 1995, they didn’t let Murray play 1B, shift Belle or Ramirez to DH, and bring up Brian Giles to play the vacant corner OF spot. If they were worried about Murray’s ability to play 1B and/or stay healthy due to his advanced age, that is one thing, but I’m confident Belle or Ramirez couldn’t butcher 1B anymore than they did the OF, opening up a spot for Giles. Not only would they have been better in 1995, they would have been better in later seasons as well as Giles would have developed quicker and reached his potential sooner, possibly leading to Cleveland not trading him to Pittsburgh. It is just mystifying that Sorrento had such a large role on that team and is a credit to the rest of the talent on the team that they made the World Series anyway.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: Julio Franco;
6. Dave Winfield, RF: I had forgotten that Winfield was also on that 1995 Indians team to provide veteran leadership and timely hitting—probably because he hit .191/.285/.287 (a 50 wRC+), and it proved to be his last season in baseball. Not remembering Winfield, I thought Giles would get the 3rd OF spot. For their careers, Murray and Winfield were basically equals as hitters, but I put Murray one spot ahead of Winfield in the lineup because he is a switch-hitter and because he actually contributed positively for the Indians in his career.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: David Justice
7. Jeff Kent, 3B: The toughest part of this mental exercise was choosing Kent over Giles. I ultimately decided that the overall value of Kent playing 3B, Thome playing DH, and Ramirez playing LF was greater than Giles playing LF, Thome playing 3B, and Ramirez playing DH, but it is close. I think Kent’s offensive production compared to fellow 2B or 3B is greater than Giles’ compared to corner OFs, and I’d rather have Ramirez’s mangled defense in LF than Thome’s at 3B, the more important defensive position. But I admit it is a close call and could go either way. For what it’s worth Giles’ 136 career wRC+ would be the third best on this team, behind only Ramirez and Thome. But Kent’s 122 wRC+ is nothing to sneeze at either, and he isn’t lacking pop—he slugged .500 for his career.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: Matt Williams
8. Sandy Alomar Jr., C: So I initially thought Victor Martinez would qualify here, but he didn’t start with the Indians until 2002 (if Martinez had made the team, then Lofton’s career 114 wRC+ would have been 8th best on the team—ridiculous). But like Lofton, Alomar is one of the Indians I initially think of when thinking about the 1990s teams, and while he is not of the caliber of anyone else on this team, he is a solid defensive catcher who can keep the pitching staff (and hopefully Ramirez) in line. He would have become an all-time hero in Cleveland if they had won the 1997 World Series, as he hit .367/.406/.600 with 2 home runs and 10 RBI against the Marlins.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: N/A
9. Omar Vizquel, SS: This team really doesn’t need any more offense, so it is fitting that this team has a defensive anchor at arguably the most important defensive position on the field. You could argue that Vizquel and Alomar made the most graceful double play combination in baseball history when they were with the Indians together. Vizquel also had his one good offensive season when Alomar was there, hitting .333/.397/.436 in 1999.
Didn’t quite make the cut for this position: Tony Fernandez
To sum up, that is three already Hall of Famers in the lineup, and five others where you can make an argument that they belong in Cooperstown. Not too shabby. But how does the pitching rotation look?
1. CC Sabathia: Sabathia is still adding to his career totals, but he already deserves to be the ace of this rotation. He also provided the most value to the Indians, although he just barely made the cutoff for this team as he premiered in 2001.
2. Orel Hershiser: Hershiser rejuvenated his career coming to Cleveland in 1995 and provided to the pitching staff what Murray provided to the lineup. Hershiser particularly left his mark in the 1995 playoffs, as he won four games and only gave up six earned runs in 35.1 innings. He was one of the big-game pitchers of his era, as his career postseason ERA is 2.59 in 132 innings, and his run of 59 scoreless innings to end the 1988 season is simply remarkable.
3. Dwight Gooden: Gooden probably had a bit of a better career thanks to his monstrous peak than Hershiser, but I rank Hershiser higher due to his impact with the Indians. You can make a good argument that Gooden’s 1985 season was the greatest pitching season all-time and that his prime in the late 1980s makes him a worthy candidate for the Hall of Fame or Merit.
4. Chuck Finley: Usually my memories of baseball from when I was younger more or less match up with what the stats indicate, but for whatever reason I instinctually think of Finley as a bad baseball pitcher, whereas he was actually quite good. It’s possible his 5.54 ERA with the Indians in 2001 might have something to do with that, but he wasn’t nearly that bad—his FIP was a respectable 3.94 that year. He was also 38 that year, so it is not as if this season was during his prime. Nevertheless, he only had 2.5 years in Cleveland, and I couldn’t rate him above Gooden, even though you can make a case of it based on their total careers.
5. Jack Morris: With apologies to Dennis Martinez, Bartolo Colon, Mark Langston, and Tom Candiotti, I chose Morris as the 5th starter for this team. If Hershiser’s impact was similar to Murray’s, than Morris’ with the Indians was like Winfield’s (although Morris was on the 1994 team and then retired rather than 1995). While I don’t support Morris for the Hall of Fame, I do believe there is a lot of value in the amount of innings he threw. He threw more innings than anyone else in the 1980s and the 3,824 for his career is very impressive. And ultimately, a huge innings eater like this is really good for a fifth starter.
The pitching staff doesn’t quite matchup with the lineup, but then again it doesn’t have to. The sports gods have not been very kind to Cleveland, but from 1994-2001 the fans of Cleveland got to witness many great players—even if not all of them played great for the Indians.
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